ON SOME WRITINGS BY TERESA BENNS (Abbé Zins)

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ON SOME WRITINGS BY TERESA BENNS (Abbé Zins)

#1 Message par chartreux » ven. 02 sept. 2022 10:43

ON SOME WRITINGS BY TERESA BENNS (Abbé Zins)
Abbé Zins, translated by chartreux a écrit :
ven. 02 sept. 2022 7:51

On some writings by Teresa Benns

InHocSignoVinces a écrit :
sam. 07 mai 2022 16:15
Frightening presentation of the Antichrist Montini-Paul VI

(W.F. Strojie)

W.F. Strojie was a pioneer sedevacantist catholic who not only denounced the false religion produced by the V2 cabal ; he was rather the first who unmasked the Anti-Christ, recognizing him in Montini.
Your inaccurate claim is contradicted by Theresa Benns herself (whom you also quote), who mixes very good things with confusions of the most basic level. Here is how she summarizes W.F. Strojie's inconsistencies :
Teresa Benns a écrit :
Summary
1. Strojie was one of the first proponents of the material/formal theory, the belief that the V2 popes never taught heresy ex cathedra, that they could reform themselves and continue governing the Church.
2. He believed that Christ himself could give jurisdiction to a false pope, even if he were the Anti-Christ himself, and based this belief on some opinion put forward by St. Robert Bellarmine.
3. He denied the applicability of pope Paul IV's bull, Cum ex Apostolatus Officio.
4. He did not believe that one could claim that Paul VI's election was invalid according to canon law.
5. He questioned the canonical teaching about heresy, at least as traditionalists understood it.
6. He tended to prefer theologians' opinions to the teachings of the Roman Pontiffs.
7. He didn't expect that the remnant catholics could gain much by studying their faith or getting involved in Catholic action, but he nonetheless expected them to be able to sort out the true from the false in Paul VI's teachings.
8. He concentrated on the problem (the false V2 council, the erring "popes") instead of concentrating on the solution (mobilize the faithful so they could learn and defend their faith correctly).
9. His understanding of the situation can be seen as a result of a failure by the theologians and the bishops, after the end of the Vatican Council in 1870, to accept and teach correctly the true meaning of infallibility, as it was defined by the Council.
10. This theological "tendency", a continuation of the Gallican heresy, contributed to the expansion of modernism and americanism.
11. It also favored distrust of the Papacy and contempt of scholatiscism and canon law.
12. Those who thus rather followed theologians and bishops ignored the teaching of the popes condemning this tendency, which was allowed to perpetuate itself.
13. This eventually led to the election of John XXIII and the false V2 council.
14. It also led to mistakenly attributing the beginnings of the liturgical "renewal" and ecumenism to pope Pius XII. This, despite the fact that John XXIIII and Paul VI turned out to have secretly inspired those movements before their getting "elected", and were not favoured by this pope.
15. This distrust of the papacy and this quasi-modernist vision thus gained a wide circulation, (unwittingly) helped by Strojie and deliberately fostered by others.
16. He prepared them for what is coming now – the "gathering" of all the different traditionalist sects to push for the resignation/deposition/conversion (?) of Francis.
17. All this is intended to bring back the Church to her preceding state in the fifties, without touching on what destroyed her in the first place – the coming of the Great Revolt aka Apostasy, admitted by Strojie (the stricken shepherd and the scattered fold) ; the reign of the Anti-Christ, also admitted by Strojie even though he thinks that Christ is furnishing him directly with the necessary power for it, and the inevitable cessation of the Holy Sacrifice as predicted by Prophet Daniel.

This quote about W.F. Strojie, shows that Teresa Benns gets very close to the truth in many aspects of the general current situation, though not without adjuncting many inaccuracies and approximations, notably by generalizations intended as simplifying devices but turning out to be unfair exaggerations.

On the other hand, when Ms. Benns takes it upon herself to lecture us about theology and canon law, she displays a lack of acquaintance with basic data leading her to the most surprising confusions and deplorable interpretations, which might well make others despise and ridicule everything else she says.

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Re: ON SOME WRITINGS BY TERESA BENNS (Abbé Zins)

#2 Message par chartreux » lun. 05 sept. 2022 17:20

Abbé Zins, translated by chartreux a écrit :
lun. 05 sept. 2022 15:10

First, historically, she seems to be aware of a traditionalist movement after the 1988 bishop ordinations only.

This leads her to write falsely :
Teresa Benns a écrit :
« This includes the only two founders of traditionalism, Marcel Lefebvre et Peter Martin Ngo dinh Thuc. »
In reality, the resistance started earlier with elderly priests and some laymen (such was the case of my parents and family) who had rejected and fled the liturgical and doctrinal revolution in the parishes, without yet being able to grasp the causes of it. This was before even hearing about Archbishop Lefebvre and his seminary.

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#3 Message par chartreux » jeu. 08 sept. 2022 15:41

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jeu. 08 sept. 2022 14:14

Next, putting Archbishop Lefebvre and Thuc on the same level is, at the same time, false, unfair and even grotesque, for several reasons.

1̊ The former was a member of the group publicly opposing the modernist revolution in the "Council", the latter made several hyper-"progressive" statements there, including one favourable to the "ordination of women", and another asking why, in addition to the Protestants present, buddhists and members from other sects were not also invited to V2?

2̊ The former founded his fraternity with the approval of a diocesan bishop who left V2 before it ended, his seminary with the agreement of the local bishop, and all three had served as bishops under Pius XII. The latter not only founded nothing at all, but simply retired in the city of Toulon.

3̊ The former publicly ordained priests youths from Catholic families, previously incardinated in their dioceses, and then incardinated in his fraternity, with the approval of the Prefect of the Congregation for the Clergy. The latter granted the requests of all sorts of sectarians, beginning with those from Palmar de Troya, schismatics, esoterists, etc ..., surreptitiously "ordained" or "consecrated" by him in his F1 personal apartement at Toulon, without a Master of Ceremonies, and most often without any witness at all, and not without simoniacal arrangements.

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#4 Message par chartreux » lun. 12 sept. 2022 15:40

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lun. 12 sept. 2022 14:40


Those same approximations and false equivalences are made even worse by the following equally false statement, seriously unfair at least up to the 1988 consecrations :

Teresa Benns a écrit :
« They received holy orders from notorious apostates, heretics and schismatics, namely Lefebvre and Thuc, and also Old-Catholics or Orthodox. (Can. 2372).»
According to the public rumor of the time, including the one circulating in the "progressive" press (as it was then called) who denigrated him, Archbishop Lefebvre was on the contrary the only Catholic bishop who had the courage to resist the liturgical and doctrinal revolution publicly.

It was only much later that we heard of Bishop de Castro Mayer, who resisted with all his diocese at Campos, Brazil and his seminary.

Teresa Benns thus confuses and lumps together the history of the Spokane sect and co. in the US, with the history of the traditionalist movement in France, Europe and elsewhere.

On the other hand, this putting on the same level is a godsend to the schismatics and sectarians as it contributes to "improving their image", the better to infiltrate the traditionalist environment and get accepted within it.

It must nevertheless be said, to make somewhat more understandable Ms. Benns' oversimplified and retroactive view and her blurred perception from the other side of the Atlantic, that the fact that Carmona, followed by Dolan, allied themselves with the Spokane sect, after having first denounced it as such and threatened to deny communion to those who frequented it, is quite apt to foster her inaccurate interpretation.

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Re: ON SOME WRITINGS BY TERESA BENNS (Abbé Zins)

#5 Message par chartreux » jeu. 15 sept. 2022 12:26

Abbé Zins a écrit :
jeu. 15 sept. 2022 11:50

This inacurracy in Teresa Benns' mind becomes clearer by the following anachronistic statement, a judgment on the past which was full of obscurity and uncertainty, from a largely clarified present-day :

Teresa Benns a écrit :
« As has been shown elsewhere, Lefebvre, Castro de Mayer, Thuc, Mendez et al – all lost whatever jurisdiction they formerly possessed by joining the Novus Ordo sect, by celebrating the Novus Ordo Missae, by signing the Vatican 2 documents, and by accepting the actions of a false pope.»
This is a misunderstanding, either genuine or affected, of the common error that was nearly-universal at the beginning of the revolution, and of the pratical consequences flowing from it, doctrinally expounded since the Constance ecumenical Council, and enshrined in canon law under canon 209 of the 1917 code.

This common error is admittedly not to be confounded with the deliberate and actively self-deceiving error which came later.

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#6 Message par chartreux » lun. 19 sept. 2022 13:23

Abbé Zins, translated by chartreux a écrit :
lun. 19 sept. 2022 11:51

Many statements made by her in a peremptory tone, such as this one :

Teresa Benns a écrit :
The bishops simulated ordinations without dimissorial letters (2373). The traditional « priests » simulated the celebration of mass and the dispensation of sacrements (Can. 2322).»

seriously betray how she mingles together liceity and validity on the pratical level. Thus Teresa Benns clearly displays how she fails to distinguish between "moral" power (the licit character) and "sacramental" power, between moral "invalidity" (the illicit character) and sacramental invalidity; the "power" of jurisdiction and the "power" of orders.

This is again demonstrated by the two following quotes :

Teresa Benns a écrit :
It is appropriate to note that while Lefebvre, Thuc and others, who had been consecrated bishops by Pope Pius XII, could (in theory) ordain validly had they possessed the jurisdiction to give tonsure first, those who later were imposed to gullible Catholics as supposedly ordained and "consecrated" by them or others, without papal mandate, received nothing at all. It doesn't matter if they are called priests or bishops ; since they were never given tonsure, they could never become even priests.
It seems to me that no writer from the clergy, however incompetent, could utter such an enormity, resulting from such a total unawareness of the most elementary distinctions.

And yet many swallow this all, hook, line and sinker! What is more, they even consider it an absolute, unanswerable argument, and they call incompetent anyone who does not rave with admiration at such inane pronouncements of a new Lady-Pope.

The coarser and more brazen it is, the easier it is for them to swallow the camel while pretending to strain at a gnat.

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Re: ON SOME WRITINGS BY TERESA BENNS (Abbé Zins)

#7 Message par chartreux » lun. 26 sept. 2022 13:57

Abbé Zins a écrit :
lun. 26 sept. 2022 13:07


Now here is another claim of hers. This one shows a really dense lack of understanding, worthy in blindness of a rabbinical literalism, and perhaps caused by a stubborn refusal to admit or acknowledge a confusion pointed out by some critics. It considers a disclipinary measure, and pretends to make a preposterous "deduction" of an effect which is nowhere implied in it :

Teresa Benns a écrit :
Consecrations and confirmations would be valid but illicit if they were performed during any period other than an interregnum, but Pope Pius XII says that they are null and void during a sede vacante.
She would be hard pressed indeed to quote one single author distorting Pope Pius XII's prescriptions to such an extent. By the way, Pius XII only reiterated what had been prescribed by Pope St. Pius X, who himself only gathered in an orderly fashion what was more scattered before him.

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#8 Message par chartreux » jeu. 29 sept. 2022 12:13

Abbé Zins a écrit :
jeu. 29 sept. 2022 10:32
Teresa Benns a écrit : « During an interregnumm, all the acts which usurp papal jurisdiction (by assuming the approval of a true pope to administer a diocese and ordain priests) are declared null and void by Pope XII in his Vacantis Apostolicae Sedis
While this is about jurisdiction and moral power, she makes a false and bizarre application of it to sacramental power,
failing once again to distinguish between "moral" power (the licit character) and "sacramental" power, between moral "invalidity" (the illicit character) and sacramental invalidity ; the "power" of jurisdiction and the "power" of order :

Teresa Benns a écrit :
« For those who believe they are receiving valid sacraments from validly ordained priests, this information is most revelant.

Because those (involuntary?) impostors never became priests for lack of a valid tonsure, as mere laymen, are not (a) required to keep the seal of the confessional, since what they do has no sacramental character ; (b) able to celebrate the Holy Sacrifice since they cannot consecrate validly or licitly the Body of Christ (c) able to administer any other sacrement.

« Their actions are called simulation of sacrements, punishable in virtue of Can. 2322 by ipso facto excommunication, specially reserved to the Apostolic See.»

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Re: ON SOME WRITINGS BY TERESA BENNS (Abbé Zins)

#9 Message par chartreux » lun. 03 oct. 2022 13:03

Abbé Zins a écrit :
lun. 03 oct. 2022 11:47

As she seems to have understood or at least more or less felt that she is being reproached with making a basic confusion between valid and licit, she tried to prove that imaginary absolute invalidity of hers "better" by fabricating the following fallacy : tonsure morally implies jurisdiction to be "valid" ; without a "valid tonsure", all the orders conferred afterwards are (sacramentally) "invalid" and "therefore" "simulated" only :

Teresa Benns a écrit :
« No mandate, no diocese, no tonsure.» « No candidate was
qualified to be eligible for tonsure and no jurisdiction existed to transmit it validly. So it was never received in a way that met the validity requirements in can. 147 ; all the canonical laws relating to the conferring tonsure have been violated.» « Traditionalists have tried to get rid of the vise around their necks by various loopholes, principally : .. the hypothesis according to which tonsure is a real order and a consequence of the power of order, while it is really an act of competence.»
To summarize, by quoting canon 147 in this context, she displays once again her confusion, this time between receiving a tonsure and receiving an ecclesiastical office, and she then follows this enormity by another, nearly putting tonsure on the same level as baptism - baptism which is indeed necessary for validly receiving the other sacrements.

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